An interesting read. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word officer is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. Found you after all this time!!! In examining many so-called early Baptist churches you find many doctrinal errors and false teaching. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. Have a look at Matthew 15. greg, If lots of the Church congregation was wearing Scooby doo and sponge bob square pants costumes or swimsuits regularly to Church I would guess that some people would probably leave and look for another Church. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. I would love to know your thoughts on the matter. Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. Ive told bits and pieces of my story here over the last couple of years, so dont want to travel back through all of that, suffice it to say I left a very legalistic IFB, and now find myself in a tiny, new work that a friend started about 4 years ago (about 20 on Sunday) he calls it a Baptist church, I spoke to him about taking the baptist title out of it, but he wouldnt have it. clarity/dont want to lieas far as experiences at churche sin regards to Tithing: I practiced tithing at former Non-Den churchPAastor explained tithing, giving & offering I think & wa sclear not mandatory but reallywhy tenth onlyactual giving by restricting only seemed to be what I learned from thatits all His. My question would be: When has anyone ever given 10% to GOD. It more often then none goes to the support building, supplies, salaries of a ministry under the leadership of usually a man., Excellent book on the subject is Should the Church Teach Tithing by Russell Kelly, http://www.truthforfree.com/files/PDF/REK-Tithing3.pdf. https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php. The business is listed under baptist church category. When and Where Was the First Recorded Baptist Church in History, The Beginnings of the Baptists in America, https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php, http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. Gossips offer plausible deniability. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. Robert Fry - Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception; 75. . Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they when I said I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. Later in history, around 600 AD, Austin, Catholic monk, was sent to Britain by Pope Gregory the Great. No words could console. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. The first Baptist church on American soil was a direct result of the Puritan persecution of true New Testament believers. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity. Visit Pinterests profile on Pinterest. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Does Westboro Baptist in Topeka, Kansas (Thank God for 9/11, God hates fags, Thank God for dead soldiers) fall under the IFB category? Shortly after that, because of his doctrinal preaching, he was forced to leave Salem and went for a short time to Plymouth. However, in the midst of all this apostasy, which was the founded the Roman Catholic church, there were groups of Christians who were never a part of the Christianization of the Roman Empire. Lynne, why is tithing so important to you anyway? It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. If someone just wanted to wear their socks and nothing else to Church they would probably not be allowed in most Churches. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. Many of the TV evangelists and all of the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches promote teachings which are not Biblical. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. Off the top of my head, I can think of 7-8 divorced couples in our church right now (and we only have around 150 in regular attendance) Your reasoning is faulty. http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). . I am personally done with religion If asked what religion I am, my standard answer is christian even though I am still attending a little Baptist Church. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. It began with a man named John Smyth who was a bishop in the Church of England. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. -How do you determine whether or not a church teaches or practices false doctrine? In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. Being curious, I tried the Episcopal church and am now making arrangements for my confirmation. In 1688 a Baptist church was organized at Pennepeck, Pennsylvania with twelve members. Shady Acres Baptist Church August Campmeeting; All purchases through OUR BOOKSTORE & RESOURCES TAB cover the cost of operating the KJV church directory thereby making the site totally FREE and never asking for donation help. 8. Sure you used scripture, but only as a hammer to bash Greg on the head. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? A church which cannot answer yes to all of these questions cannot historically call itself a Baptist church. In 1700, a Baptist minister, William Rhodes began to hold meetings on Long Island and in 1724 organized the first Baptist church there. Separation is not the problem. Everyone knew this was a farce. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. From there, entering into an IFB church really gave me a culture shock. I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. 2. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. But I dont self-identify as a Baptist any longer, I simply say that Im a christian. Though many people including Websters Dictionary refers Baptists as being Protestants, it is not correct to refer to them as such or to lump all non-Catholic denominations in one group and label them Protestant. Virginia was especially harsh in religious persecutions. It has received 39 reviews with an average rating of 4.7 stars. Benedict states that the English Roman Catholics in 1535, put to death twenty two Baptists for heresies. You know, when you really dig into many religions you find much of mans tradition. I think it is exactly right to see that without divine drawing, no one ever would come to Christ. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today. I know that we dont use argriculture in the same way they did. They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. True New Testament Christians have always rejected such unbiblical ideas. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. He strongly believed in separation of church and state and upheld the principles of soul liberty. Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. 1:6-10, 1 Tim. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. 2 talking about this. I respect a church that weloclmes being a part of my tithe but does not mandate that I do. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. Listening To The Critics A Response To James Ach, 56. These churches are good examples of Bible believing churches that existed independent of the Roman Catholic Church, and were for some time not corrupted by its influences. 601 1ST AVE SE . I really have an issue with this point. Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. The Gospel is to be preached throughout the world by believers empowered by the Holy Spirit as Acts 1:8 plainly states. It is surely an affront to any historically informed Baptist identify him by the name of a group that has so hated and persecuted them down throughout history. We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? Would you agree with me on this? Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! I can relate i was in a IFB church, glad to be out. Not all IFB churches are this way. [CDATA[ God does not lead His children by rules. IFB churches are not the problem. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. G.L. I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. 74. Thats all. God cares not for your works, your baptism, your church attendance, or your social status. What does the Bible say about the way Christians should dress? Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. It was not founded because a line of Baptist churches down through history. The message is set. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. My point (and I just found Scripture) was that Jesus did not disnounce it as badHe says (less I misunderstand) these you ought to have done without leaving the rest undone. About modesty, my wife and I attended a concert that my sons band performed at a teen group in a neighboring town. One of the last acts of the Presbyterians, before the Long Parliament in England fell, was to past a law passing the death penalty on anyone who was caught holding to what they called Eight Errors in Doctrine. These doctrines included infant baptism. These things I write unto you that ye may know that ye have salvation. These are the mistakes one finds when following man-made theology. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. Shall we offer excuses that were only human? I do attend the Church of Christ. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. amzn_assoc_placement = "adunit0"; amzn_assoc_tracking_id = "lifewaymarket-20"; amzn_assoc_ad_mode = "manual"; amzn_assoc_ad_type = "smart"; amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon"; amzn_assoc_region = "US"; amzn_assoc_linkid = "7e0c08952d33ff8dd3379356ab6731f1"; amzn_assoc_asins = "1479180297,B00A4SKJXG,1250026261,0830816607,0809134888,0884197689,B00X531UN0,0877888256,0764205374"; amzn_assoc_title = "BaptistDeception.com Book Club Picks"; S.J. Im not sure how they upkept thier Synagogue & relate dcostbut if Im not mistaken I learned during a conference that they actually gave more than our equivalent of a tenth in regards to thier goods/wealth (like mince, spices, etc)and perhaps separate monetray covered that cost or these items were bartered/traded to pay bills. He continued to read the New Testament, and became fully aware that infant baptism, sprinkling for baptism, and allowing unsaved people to be members of the church was not Scriptural. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. It was my burden since then that it seems Jesus wants to gather His flock, but the Wolf in Sheeps Clothing really scattered the sheep resulting to lots of denominations. Dont misunderstand, I believe we are to preach and testify, but, from what I understand no ones blood will be on my hands if they wind up in Hell. John was Gods true prophet and the forerunner of the Messiah Jesus Christ, but he was not a part of the dispensation of the institution of the local church. Thank you for the article, for your love for the King of all Kings. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. Certainly we are not responsible for people we never have an opportunity to witness to. Sure the new testament is important but so is the old testament. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. Im a Southern Baptist and celebrate Jesus and His grace! Also, I support tithing personally. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. Enter city. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright . There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. However, bottom lineJesus never shared but truth to all incl Phairsees so if His position on tithing was as being not to be left undonethan I believe it stands as something that is good to do, pleasing to God. Grace Independent Chapel Size: Medium church 126 Airport Rd Shamokin, PA. Loving Fellowship Baptist Church . It can be historically determined that forty seven Baptist churches were in existence before the Great Awakening. If that were the case, Paul left out the most important person/position in addressing the Phillipian saints. In 1663, Charles II, gave the colony a royal charter and it read: Our royal will and pleasure is, that no person within the said colony, at any time hereafter, shall be in any wise molested, punished disquieted, or called in question, for any differences of opinion in matters of religion, and do not actually disturb the civil peace of the said colony. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. I suppose I should have asked a couple of questions first, to which group of The Church of Christ are you referring? Im looking forward to laughing at more of your comments. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). Is it based on the individual church or whole congregations? Martin Luther until his death held to this false sentiment and disputed with the Swiss reformer Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), over the matter. A couple of things. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. The bible says Let God be true and every man a liar So follow the Word and you will never be led astray. . Although, this was the first Baptist church to be founded on American soil there is no recorded offspring from this church and modern American Baptist churches can not trace their history directly to it. But God knows his heart. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. These five distinctive beliefs separate the true Baptists from other groups who have mistakenly taken the name Baptist and all non New Testament churches such as the Protestants. Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. You have it backwards. 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. Our Pastor teaches that Baptism does not save us and is no a requirement of salvation. A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. 5.) If other will share. Its not that I wouldnt want to give to bothbut if I only have 30 dollars; Id rather give to feed, clothe, house & most of all share the Gospel vs just feed, clothe & housed. Im all about modest clothing, but I cant tell you how many sermons I have sat through where the man of God railed against women wearing slacks. I dont know of any areas where their teachings are unbiblical or fundamental. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. King James (KJV) Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches in Arkansas. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. The Trinity: God is one What and three Whos with each Who possessing all the attributes of Deity and personality. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. Under grace we can give as much as we like. I think you are confusing ceremonial law with moral law. I will not post here again. It was almost like watching 12yr olds trying to run a corporation. Both are true and one doesnt cancel out the other. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. Williams graduated from Cambridge University in 1627, and was apparently ordained in the Church of England. I have gone to Dayspring in Wisconsin and Hillcrest in El Paso and both have apps if you want to check them out. Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. So Im guessing that pretty much every Church other than Ivor Church has a dress code. . By 1626, the churches had grown from one, to five churches and by 1644 there were forty congregations. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. I hope you come back to comment more. 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. Likewiseif a church is teaching its wrong to do sothey are also in error. I already addressed the 1st point regarding them being under Mosaic Law vs us if you read all youlll find them incl how Jesus spoke to similar crowd regarding what is Adultery, etcalso I already explained its not mandatory & no one says you better or must incl where I;m atI already explained how Jesus stated it was not to be undone while He expanded on what should have been done of which they failedif it was all about Mosaic law only they would probally I think be in compliance but Christ fulfilled & was teaching in consitency with that.
