When Diane had failed to mention it herself, he even informed them that she had bought a .22 caliber shotgun in Arizona, just before she had left for Oregon. Distractify is a registered trademark. But Diane couldnt do that. All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. As she is incarcerated, her fate is already sealed, servicing her life sentence in prison. I've just seen that in Halo's new tv series, Steve Downes isn't going to voice master chief. You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane.. People can have a certain vibe and act out of the norms, but it does not make them necessarily guilty. And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. And when kids are hurt, emotions keep flowing endlessly. Jul 3, 2022; fotomontajes de amor para dos personas; Comments: pete walker complex ptsd website; I had never heard of this case before I read her book (Im not from or do not live in the USA), but I found myself constantly despairing at the authors unfounded judgements and wild suppositions. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. Diane had a few lovers, which Knick refused to acknowledge (Appendix 81, pages 1508, 1520). If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. Women who were somewhat normal begore, get pregnant, have the baby, then drown it a toilet, kill or beat the the baby in the first year..shaking or other means..its less often then notbut better believe these type of cases are reported constantly now on social media. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. Robert was a married man in Arizona with whom Diane had been having an affair, back when she was still living there. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. I have researched the case and pointed out discrepancies and the fact that it was not the slam dunk that they were portraying. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). I do not post rude comments. He had an attorney, Fred G. Campbell Jr., send us a letter denying our request and telling us: You are legally, as well as factually, a stranger to them. Who does he think he is? why didn't steve downs get custodylagu sekolah minggu bahasa inggris Opinion Fox News's blackout of Jan. 6 points to a hidden crisis for Democrats The not-so-shocking revelation that Fox News will not carry House committee hearings about the insurrection is yet another sign that right-wing media will go to extraordinary lengths to shield . It seems like Steve and Diane were meant to be together. It is not clear whether he still resides in Arizona, where he started his relationship with Diane those many years ago. Two wrongs do not make a right but illustrates that she should have never been coerced before, during or after the trial. They both fainted when they saw their dead child, but it did not count. After asking her to have an affair, he kept vacillating between his wife and her. She repeated it years later at school. He may still reside in Arizona, but there is no proof of the same. Who Wore it Better? The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. That didnt seem right so we wrote a letter to Mr Hugi with a request for visitation rights. And thats fair enough. And being the mother of three only served to propel Diane in a more manic state. At that timeand now!! If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. Wasnt he the stranger? is this a reason??? Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. I agree that the verdict may have been very different. (Appendix 81, page 1466). Seems like former husband, Steve Downs, should've been the custodial parent after the divorce. They would have tried to reopen the case. Are you still taking comments by email? ANNE RULES BOOK IS A LIE, ,ALL MADE UP CRAP. No, Im not that gullible, Okay, I just read that she faked throwing her keys. That says it all. Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. Diane clearly would have had to have had her rights terminated by the court. I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted Judges are subject to certain ethical standards and have a duty to be impartial. The person leaned into the car. It is beyond belief that the State of Oregon allowed the prosecutor to adopt those children. Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalismI believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. The gun is Def a big issue, the style of gun, whether it belonged to him or her, she Def had access to itthe child drew a picture of it, having large similarity to that gunbut it did always baffle me how she could find such a great hide for it in such a short period of time. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular: this blog is clearly one sided. Is Diane really a threat anymore? During closing arguments, Fred Hugi said that the murder weapon used by Diane was a Ruger, and the state had the model number and the bill of sale. Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). The car was splattered with blood, but Diane had none on her. Read More: Where Is Robert Knickerbocker Now? It was Judge Footes first criminal case and it was against a woman whose children he had removed from her care even though she had not been convicted or sentenced; a conflict of interest and pure madness. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. She had been the bread winner for most of her marriage, and never wavered in her desire to bring financial stability to her family. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: I guess? I remember when Diane shot her kids and there are some facts Id like to correct from your blog. Melvin Belli How things could have been different. That same gun turned up at a police raid years later in Perris, California, and it did not match the ballistics from the shooting site. Unfortunately, Danny Downs was permanently paralyzed from the waist down because of a bullet injury in his back. This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above. Golden State Killer: Where Is the Prolific Rapist and Murderer Today? This whole case is flawed. I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. I am a firm believer of where there is smoke there is fire. Fred Hugi was pretty upset when Ann Rule went Hollywood with his case. But, their marriage was far from what either of them had expected. Diane didnt ask Knick to leave his wife. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. Diane was instructed to reenact her response to the attacker who murdered her daughter. Is it too late to respond to this? The notions of humanity and rehabilitation have been left on the wayside long ago. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. There was no blood on the front seats so Cheryl was laying down and Christie was asleep laying down and never witnessed anything. Plus, you do not let a newly appointed judge to criminal cases, preside over a high profile murder case when he has no experience whatsoever and has already prejudged the defendant dangerous to her children. We dont know. So, why didn't Steve Downs get custody? Yes, Im sure this stranger wanted to kill her kids but only wound her, who, coincidentally, had a towel handy neatly folded on her wound. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for6 monthsin 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. The chief prosecutor adopting the children beggars belief! Diane followed the detectives to their car. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. They went through the process which demonstrates a certain level of commitment in itself. Tina, if you look at family pictures of the Downs, Christie is the eldest and this is her picture. During a trial, we have to go with evidence only. I dont know either if she is guilty or not, but I believe there is a reasonable doubt surrounding the circumstances. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. According to The Cinemaholic, Steve was found to not be a good fit to care for his kids who would need specialized care and had been through a very traumatic event. Where is the blood spatter on Diane? A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. I dont know that it could get worse than writing an asinine comment on a restorative justice website that states that only respectful and constructive comments will be posted. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. You left and you and Diane Downs spent an evening at a motel? And if she did it, she has served her time without displaying any violent tendencies whatsoever. She is supposed to be locked up for murder, etc. They did not like her attitude and she did not behave the way they expected a grieving mother to act. Shes guilty. I can make out I will ask you to take a good look at the people in your life. Maybe I should have elaborated more about this comment. Instead of blaming societal problems and working at finding solutions, prison always seem to be their option. I am not one sided. That doesnt make it true. Danny and Christie survived the attack while middle child, Cheryl, died from her injuries at the time. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. My comment wont change their opinion on the barbarity of the American legal system, media influences and Ann Rules input. Are you looking for more information about Ryan Eggold? I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved. I do not declare her innocent. HUGE conflict of interest. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. This is not the reason she is still locked up. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. And that Ann Rule took advantage of the situation to sell her book. There is no way that a jury would convict Diane today, based on the clearly coached testimony of Christie. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. Guilt or innocence no longer need to be debated in this case. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knicks Imagine the ones there for years. He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. And if he really was attached to them and wanted to offer them a permanent home, it means he was unfit to be the prosecutor in this case. But you told Diane Downs to go ahead and get an apartment? To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. She should of been sentenced to death. Now Diane Downs did not say any of this, but told a hard to believe story, and then changed it from one to two masked guys, etc. These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. She entertained the idea of opening a surrogacy agency but the project never really took off. Diane had siblings and parents. I also found it curious that when Diane was first eligible for parole she was allowed to apply every 2 years thereafter until she either gets paroled or dies in prison. From reading the blog and my little understanding of this case, Ms Downs remains in custody as she is considered a dangerous offender. He hired Jim Jagger on the 1st of June 1983, 11 days after the shooting. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. Her ex-husband has been of great interest, considering his absence from the media despite the case getting significant attention. It is said that their union was loveless and that Steve was a player who was also quite irresponsible and immature from time to time. Christie was understandably all over the place and I agree that the way in which her statements were procured were very odd and seemed to be very coached. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. Its a rather large part of the story. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. At the point Diane jumped into the car, her broken arm (resting in a sling in front of her) slammed into the steering wheel. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. Diane has not been deemed an ongoing public threat that I am aware of. What about the affidavits of the guy who confessed to several people? tell someone else. The diagnosis of the psychiatrist for the state is also clearly documented. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. Steve Downs' wife had become ignorant of her children and often left them with her parents or ex-husband. Diane Frederickson was born August 7, 1955 in Phoenix, Arizona. Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled Heart Full of Lies,I came across some very interesting information about the Diane Downs case because Rule attended the trial and also wrote a book about the case called Small Sacrifices. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? She functions best in highly structured environments where she has a sense of control. I wasnt there and the records will never be brought to light as far as the child welfare case. The reason she is likely locked up is because she was diagnosed with narcissistic, histrionic and anti social personality disorder, that makes her a very dangerous person (especially since she is a murderer). Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. And they kept at her and made suggestions when she would not implicate her mom. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. Press J to jump to the feed. You can check this link and go online to see her picture with Cheryl and the rest of the family. Yet, that is exactly what the videotape showsDiane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. Did she act like a average person? Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. It was cited that she keeps her emotions close to the vest. Her older two children have remained out of the public eye. The underlying basis of this article. They had him micromanaged, and with the testimony of little Christie they were in business: argumentative They are the ones who supposedly (according to Diane) screwed her up so badly. Take your smugness elsewhere, at long last. She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. There was no question in Dianes mind that Knick would take another mistress if she married him, and that hed move on again. Within three weeks, Diane had lost custody of her remaining wounded children and had become the number one suspect in the eyes of the police department and District Attorneys office. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. 2. Unfortunately couldnt really do anything at that point, as the movie was not VHS yet, it only aired that oncein late 89. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed. Page 37 of Case History. Cheryl Lynn followed in 1976, and Stephen Daniel was born in 1979. Nevertheless, when Diane came back to Arizona, the pair united, and soon, on November 13, 1973, to be exact, the couple tied the knot. It is because she is a high profile person. After Diane was convicted, the two living children were adopted by the prosecutor in the case and his wife, and it was Christie who ultimately pointed to her mother being responsible for the shooting. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. I worked for county child welfare services in Colorado for a decade. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. But I know that there were major problems with this case. Her release was recommended by a warden and a psychiatrist. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. In one of them, he knew her name and in another one, she had answered a call and been told to meet someone. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf. We already know that. Needless to say, you seem to have a problem with the American justice systemnot each individual case. This is especially if it comes with a history of erratic behavior following the use of these substances. That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? It wasnt simply her demeanor that got her convicted. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. Most doctors would tell you that it is normal for our brains to block out a traumatic incident especially when combined with a serious physical injury. If Diane was bipolar, the non-stop chatter would have been inherent to the situation. Im sure nothing I write will change that. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. Q. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. The infamous murder story of 1983 was like an excerpt from a crime thriller, a mother doing the unfathomable. Whatever mental illness she has, has gotten worse with each hearing. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. The fact that they used her daughter and lied about the gun they could never find makes it a wrongful conviction. Agreed. She was found guilty. I am not saying that Diane was a saint or Ann Rule a demon. Instead, it is Diane who fought to keep her children. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. DA Pat Horton declared early in the game to the local paper that the search for the bearded stranger was not very high on their priority list.. It was known as Manic Depression. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. If I included the ones I dont post, it would need more than a like or dislike button. What was the rationale behind this? 20 female celebrities with black hair to follow in 2023, 10 most famous QVC hosts who were fired or left the channel. The GSR? They played the tape in the courtroom, and the fact that Diane did not break down but tapped her foot to the music, was supposed to be another proof of her guilt. Only in Hollywood and in Ann Rules books, would you find such fantasy. When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. (Yes, speculative). No. I research cases that in my opinion, were poorly tried. And according to the law, she should have been released by now, independently of what she says or not. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Fitness fanatic, 27, broke her spine lifting weights but didn't realise until she woke up the next morning unable to move - and why her terrifying injury should be a warning to all gym-goers https://www.google.com/search?q=diane+downs+with+christie+cheryl+and+danny&sxsrf=ACYBGNQDEM3XNQjZXlqNQpYLhZCn7ic5iw:1576689995166&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjNuNT427_mAhUcJTQIHbveBMIQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1024&bih=462#imgrc=gQkU10UxNhHn_M: If youre talking about the picture in the blog that is labeled as Christie, it is Christie. On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane pulled over her car by the side of the road in Springfield, Oregon and shot her children multiple times with a 22-calibre pistol. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. Why on earth would anyone recommend leaving the kids with the grandparents? Most get through it fine, maybe some complications or pain, maybe even some post pardum. That was the extent of her investigation of Dianes side. "I knew within 30 minutes of talking with that woman that she was guilty": Surgeon who helped save one of Diane Downs' kids in 1983 after she shot her recalls chilling interaction. This case certainly had its share of circumstantial evidence. Therefore, it is hard knowing where he is right now, considering his low profile of keeping away from the spotlight. it also isnt right that the rules get to keep being changed after the fact as far as how often one may apply for parole. Here's what we know. It became more about despising Diane Downs than investigating fairly. Thats the point. Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. She did not have the opportunity to clean her hands with the right product to erase all traces and she was tested pretty fast, contrary to many other cases. So Mark, where are you from? It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. Lise do you know if the kids have ever reached out to the grandparents/family in the last few years? ..a little over year before the shooting had a surrogate babypregnancy and giving the baby awayumits donnoits the gal already had a fragile mentality.may not have been the best idea. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. They would have welcomed them with open arms. Diane and her family fought for them but were blocked from day one. And she would have been under supervision. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. She waseighteen and soon realized that she had jumped from the fire into the frying pan. Being a patient of the doctor who saved the childrens lives has nothing to do with the facts of a case. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. Its more boring to tell the truth and the readers might not have flocked to read a fair story without no real heroes and villains. This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby.
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